, a fiscal cliff stock bear. >> yes. give or take, yes. >> and why? >> well, i think it's pretty clear you're talking about -- well, our best case scenario has been we're going off the cliff. we said that the day after the election, we standby it today. if you do that, you're talking about the largest tax increase in our country's history, a considerable amount of spending cuts, and in the short-term, probably hit the stock prices on the order of 10%. >> if i give you a cliff deal. okay. i'm going to give you a cliff deal for middle class extensions, 250,000, you're right the top rates will go up. but if you get that deal in january, that does save us from the recession scenario, the really deep gloom scenario. >> this is the big debate. our view has been if you get a deal fairly quickly in the new year, it's hardly the end of the world. the question really or the debate really accelerates if you start getting closer to january 15th or ultimately the inauguration. do you do more serious damage to the economy that makes i